Another Youtube Video

I didn’t want to only have one video uploaded to Youtube, so I thought I’d upload another…on a favorite topic I’ve written about quite a bit:  Marcion and Cerinthus, and why Cerinthus was more important than most people assume.  Please excuse my slow speech at times…

Advertisements

Author: Tim...Stepping Out

Tim Stepping Out

2 thoughts on “Another Youtube Video”

  1. So basically the summary of Paul would be

    Paul=Simon Magus=Marcion of Sinope

    It’s good you mentioned that Paul’s Jesus is partially on Earth which I agree given the attempted reconstructions of Marcion’s Gospel of the Lord where Jesus goes down to Capernaum directly from heaven. Here’s a grad school thesis about Marcion, I have a lot to disagree but there’s some nuggets worth preserving. Here’s his conclusion:

    “From the time of Irenaeus onwards, the association of Marcion of Sinope and second century Gnosticism has been an error of categorization and identification. From this detailed study, it is clear that the traits and tropes of what could be described and defined as second century Gnosticisms have little in common with the theology and thought of Marcion. First and foremost, Marcion did not emphasize any sort of gnosis within his teachings, nor did he claim to have access to divine Gnostic secrets. Moreover, Marcion did not advocate any sort of authoritative text as the source of his gospel or claim any special lineage and inheritance to Jesus’s chosen disciples. As well as this, Marcion shares no interest in Gnosticism’s practices of magic, astrology, numerology, and other Hellenic sciences. And finally, Marcion was an evangelist with the goal of converting as many people as possible to his interpretation of the gospel, not a secretive activist like many of the Gnostic leaders were. In short, when one examines the nuances of the theology, Christology, dualism, and evangelism of Marcion and second century Gnosticism, it is clear that the two are not related. Of course, it has been noted that Marcion and Gnosticism do have their points of contact in their dualism and docetism, as well as their shared belief in multiple gods. Also, Marcion’s promotion of sexual abstinence and distain for the physical is also a feature within numerous forms of Gnosticisms. These few, but noteworthy, similarities are most likely the reason why Marcion has been incorrectly identified as a Gnostic thinker. In my assessment, it would do scholars well to return to Adolf von Harnack’s vision of Marcion’s theology and message as being original and individual. Marcion certainly had his influences, such Greco-Roman Hellenistic dualism, but first and foremost, he was a rebel who perhaps admired the Apostle Paul as the
    quintessential rebel. While scholarship may continue to debate over the definition of Gnosticism (or Gnosticisms), it is clear that, however one does define this category of early Christian belief, Marcion stands separate from it.

    Like

    1. As I was reading this, I was thinking “…oh, they’ve read their A Harnack”. I think there’s a good reason not to close the door on the link between Marcion and Gnosticism, notably that Marcionism seems a forerunner to Christian Gnosticism, and that both the Gnostics and Marcion incorporate a fall from the Godhead in their theology – clearly a Platonist/Neo-Pythagorean theme. It is definitely a struggle to figure out how Valentinus and Marcion were so close together, in terms of timeframe…particularly considering they both revered Paul. Plenty of solutions to this problem, notably that Paul is indeed earlier than both of them. My suspicion is that Marcion, Valentinus, and Cerinthus all contributed something to what we know of today as Paul’s letters…of course, can’t prove it.

      Like

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s